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Hertz - Hertz Rental Car overcharged me, then sent the disputed amount to collections. Help please!
Tl;Dr: Hertz overcharged me when renting a car. After customer service could not help, I opened a dispute, but on the wrong charge as I'm dumb. The dispute was closed and money returned to Hertz. Now they have sent multiple invoices requesting payment for this charge, and as of March 5 it has been sent to collections.
Hey!
So back in August 2024 I rented a car with some friends, to be picked up in San Francisco and returned to Las Vegas. We booked online and chose the extra insurance and have a layout of all charges in the initial email. We paid $350 CAD when booking. When picking up the car, we also added a secondary driver. The remaining $1680 was to be billed to the card already on file.
When the email came through after picking up the car, I saw it was about $230 CAD above what I expected, but I assumed this was a damage deposit or something of the like. When we returned the car however, the final invoice was still about $230 above what I expected based on the initial booking invoice, plus the additional driver. This is also taking into account the charge for dropping off at a different location, the extra insurance, etc that was all listed in the initial email. Unfortunately, we dropped off the car late at night and flew home the next day, so there was no staff in the office to speak to.
Fast forward a couple weeks, the two charges were posted and still remained, collectively, about $230 above what I was quoted, including the extras we chose. So I called Hertz. Customer support couldn't see any issue, but also said there was no manager present to speak to. They put in a request with their financial team to contact me. I was never contacted. A couple days later, I called again, and met the same result. I should have been more aggressive and demanded to talk to someone who actually knew how to look an invoice, but I didn't. Again I got them to request an email from the financial team. This time I did get an email from them, to which I replied and explained the situation.. And never heard back.
At this point, I just opened a dispute with my credit card. Unfortunately, I still wasn't sure which exact payment was overcharged, so I opened the dispute on the initial booking fee of $350. This means that this amount is refunded back to me temporarily, pending the final results of the dispute. In hindsight, that was obviously not the way to go, but at the time I assumed they just didn't subtract the booking deposit from the final bill. However, this was incorrect, and by mid December, after Hertz replied to my bank, it was deemed to be incorrect as the overcharge had nothing to do with the booking deposit. The $350 was returned to Hertz on December 13th. They already have the money. However, in mid-January, I received an invoice in the mail from Hertz detailing that I owed $350, with an invoice date of December 29th. So two weeks after the money was already returned.
Prior to this letter, I also called Hertz yet again, and finally got someone who felt sympathetic and refunded me the $230 I was overcharged. This was done through official channels as he sent the request to their financial team. I wish this had been the result at the beginning, but unfortunately here we are.
Now I stupidly ignored this first invoice letter because I assumed that once their financial team did a year end balancing of accounts, the disputed amount of $350 would be seen to have been refunded back in December, and I just wouldn't hear from them again. However, that was not the case, I got another couple letters from Hertz.
Two weeks ago, I emailed the address listed on this Hertz invoice, and explained, in rather pissed off terms I confess, the entire situation, and that the money had already been returned to Hertz. I made sure to iterate multiple times that they already had the money back that they were requesting. I got an email a few days later notifying me that my email had been forwarded to the Hertz collections team. I never heard any confirmation back from them.
Now, today I received a letter in the mail from a collections agency stating that they have been given the charge and I have 3 days to pay or contact the office or it would be placed against my credit rating. However, this letter was mailed on March 5. And I checked the mail yesterday. It just got here today, 7 days passed their letter date.
What is the best course of actions here? Realistically it probably isn't productive to hire an attorney to deal with a $350 collections charge. I will be calling the collections office today of course. But I wanted to get some advice from the fine people on here. I do not want my credit rating to be damaged.
UPDATE: Spoke with the collections agent who handled this, and she hadn't gotten to processing my case yet. So my credit is safe for now. I sent her my credit statements as proof that the charge has been paid back to Hertz. She'll update me later after she forwards this to Hertz.
If anyone has advice for how to handle this if for some reason Hertz doesn't back down, I would greatly appreciate it. Is it just a safer option to pay this charge, even if that means double paying them, rather than go through all the legal hassle? Like yes it's about the principle of not letting a company walking all over you with no recourse, but at the end of the day, I don't want to hurt my credit rating or have to deal with thousands in legal fees with no guarantee it'll be covered if Hertz settled.
Optum Bank - Optum Bank automatically reinvested all of my money, resulting in major loss
Hello,
I have an HSA with Optum Bank that I am transferring to another institution. A couple of weeks ago, I had a phone call with Optum where they had told me to liquidate my investments before initiating the transfer. Right after we hung up the phone, I liquidated all my investments and initiated the transfer with the other institution (Fidelity). I sold X amount of shares of VFIAX at share price of $565.06.
A few days after liquidating everything, there was a purchase of shares on my account using my entire account balance, purchasing shares of VFIAX at a share price $567.88. It turns out that my account had a flag named HSA auto-transfer enabled, which is the cause of this.
VFIAX has dropped a significant amount since this purchase was made. As of now, it is priced at $530 per share, which will drop even lower today.
I am upset because the representative from Optum did NOT inform me that auto-invest was enabled, and my entire portfolio is down about 7% due to this.
I just spoke with a supervisor at Optum to see if they can reverse this transaction and they said there is nothing they can do. The only thing I can do from this point is to disable auto-invest and liquidate all my shares for a loss.
Is there anything I can do about this? I'm upset that I have to take a loss due to the phone rep not telling me to disable this feature. It's also caused delay on the transfer process to Fidelity.
Pets Best - Pets Best Nightmare
We got pets best insurance a few years ago and this year our 9 year old dog was diagnosed with lymphoma. After a few months of receiving expected claims, they suddenly started denying everything, forcing us to appeal every time. After appeals, they usually end up paying, but it’s incredibly annoying. But this month, our policy renewal came and they DOUBLED our premium!! DOUBLED, in the first and only year where we actually made claims…. How is this legal? They say it’s across all their plans, but I don’t believe it for a second. Anyone have this happen?
Primerica - I got myself involved with primerica...
I got involved with them on my 18th birthday, which was in November. I left at the end of December and told them I was moving to Houston. I got the life insurance policy when I joined since it was required, and I canceled it yesterday.
Today, I got a call from the agent who recruited me. I told him I couldn't talk, but he said the contract required me to keep the life insurance policy for 17 months. I hung up, blocked him, and called my cousin since he also joined at the beginning of 2024 (recruited by the same person) and left shortly after. He canceled his policy as well.
I told him about the call, and he said the agent called him too when he canceled his policy, telling him the same thing. He told the agent he didn't want it, and the agent said he would be sent to collections or something like that. I don't know if that's true but I don't know what to do.
Progressive - Opened a car accident claim 9 months ago & haven't received an offer from my insurance, what should i do?
Sorry this is a long story
Late May 2024, my husband was rear-ended, his car totaled. We have full coverage, so we opened a claim with our insurance, the same evening as the accident. Police came to take report, which they found the other driver at fault. They included that my husband was injured but refused an ambulance. We went to urgent care the next morning and he was diagnosed with a concussion and told to not work or drive for a few days. The other driver claimed to have the same insurance company, but they were actually specifically written off the policy (some kid driving his dad's truck) so he's technically uninsured.
We spoke to the insurance agent many times because we've never been in an accident and didn't know what to do or expect. We were compensated for the totaled car and mentioned we'd like pain & suffering to cover the missed days of work & such. And then we just left it alone, I assumed they would investigate and make an offer that would at least cover the missed work.
After about 3 months, we got a notice that a new insurance agent was taking over. We explained that my husband had lingering brain fog from the concussion and had follow-ups with his doctor regarding it. Agent#2 sent an affidavit form to sign that we had no other insurance & medical release form for my husband to fill out. We had the paperwork signed & notarized, and both sent it by mail with the business return envelope given and uploaded it via a special link sent by the agent. Again, didn't hear anything for months. I wrote an email to ask if there would be a discussion about a settlement, again ghosted.
Another few months pass and we've been transferred to a new agent. She wants to have a conversation, but at this point we're a bit fed up with all these conversations leading to nowhere. I asked if we could communicate by email so that there would be a record and heard nothing until today, when Agent#3 asked me to fill out the affidavit again.
It's now been 9.5 months. I'm concerned about the length of time being taken to investigate my claim. I've answered every question I've been asked, signed every form. I've had 3 different agents. In each case when I ask about a settlement or offer, I get ghosted and then eventually passed along to the next person. I'm not quite sure what more is needed. I had many conversations with the first agent. Each time I emphasized, I'm new to being in a car accident, I don't know what's the norm, so now I'm beginning to feel like I'm being taken advantage of, like there is some bad faith going on with Progressive.
I must say, I was pretty upset to see them ask for a form I've already sent months ago. Are we starting over again? I don't understand.
I didn't get a personal injury attorney because this sub says you don't need one. What are we missing here?
Orkin - Ant issue for about 2 years now
Tried adding pics but the rules won't allow me 🥲
Howdy Everyone, I'm posting on here hoping to get some help.
Background: My wife and I bought this home about 3 years ago with signs of potential termite treatment( burrowed holes 1ft apart the whole house). We live in a plant hardiness zone 10a? I googled it. We didn't see it as an issue since there was no sign of existent pests or insects. The house was left abandoned for several years though with overgrown grass. The neighbors would take turns cutting the grass since it's a community and thus house was not being kept up.
Anyways, we buy it and within a year, we see small ants crawling around the house. We didn't see it as a problem since there weren't that many and it's honestly quote normal to just see a couple of an wondering around. A year later, around spring season, in a couple walls from a room, we see a discharge of trash come out of the bottom from between the walls. It had dirt, dead ants and wings seems to be carpenter ants. Immediately we call a couple of exterminators and they both concluded it was carpenter ants. Ok fine, we went with orkin services which sold us a contract to treat inside and outside.
A year goes by and we are still sewing these ants crawling up the house from outside and the discharge every now and then. After constant contacts with Orkin and them coming to
treat them we didn't see any progress with them. We decided to not renew our contract. We called and they insisted on sending out a tech to check out the issue. The guy gave me a rundown that it is definelty a carpenter ant and that they need to treat specifically for that..which I though that's what they had been doing. Apparently he said that we had just been getting the common pest control plan. WHAT?!?! The issue is not common pest but a pest specifically!! I got mad, they tried to sell me more services and then a perimeter cleanse and what not. He kept insisiting on selling me the 10k services. Kicked him out the house respectfully and blocked
their number.
Present: Which leads me to now. I'm now trying to treat the ants myself and bought these terro ant bait stakes, terro liquid ant baits for indoor, and the Terro ant killer shaker bag I've had these for about 3 weeks now and the ant seem to be eating it but there are still so many ants coming into the home. I see them going into the stakes and piling it up with dirt as if they were closing these baits off. Smart Mfkrs lol
Anvone have anv more ideas on what I could do? I also tried plugging up the holes but they just creat new ones lol
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Illinois - Why am I paying so much?
My husband and I signed up for BCBS of Illinois PPO+ plan through his work this year. I started seeing a physiatrist who was in network. When my claim was submitted, they only approved a discount from $360 to $219 leaving me having to pay $219 out of pocket. I previously had United Healthcare from my last company and with that insurance my physiatry appointments were only $30. I have read through our policy agreement but have to admit, I have no idea what I am reading. Can someone help explain what is different between my currently BCBS plan that only approves a discount vs other plans who only make you pay the co-pay? Thank you!
Lemonade - Good Experience with Lemonade
Hi, I just wanted to share my experience with Lemonade after having gone through cancer with my recently passed kitty, Tortilla, who was 6 years old both when we bought her plan and at the time of her passing. She had large cell GI lymphoma that suddenly appeared in early May. I got her plan (premium preventative care package, 100k spending limit, 90% reimbursement with $250 deductible, end of life coverage, dental disease coverage, vet visit fees). We had over 7K in vet bills, but lemonade actually covered around at least 6K I believe.
I actually only got her a plan because one I somehow had a horrible feeling something terrible would happen to her (I hate and am grateful that I planned for that but I wish I had for no reason) and two because we had adopted a dog (her name is Lexie) who we bought insurance for too late and she had a million pre-existing conditions that basically rendered nothing covered for her.
We wound up going the palliative care route, and unfortunately we didnt get much time I believe not even a month passed before she left us after her diagnosis. But, the bright side of this horrible experience was we were not saddled with thousands in debt since my family and I are not doing so well financially this year. They covered 6K of the treatment and diagnosis bills, and completely covered end of life fees and memorial items. I am so grateful I decided to buy her plan.
Now, the negatives. Tortilla worked out great since she didn’t have a history of illness till the cancer and only had preventative vet visits in that history with no illnesses popping up. I will say, though, the approval waiting period was insanely long. Took like more than 2 weeks for reimbursement, but they did approve us for a crazy amount (at least to me). So if that’s important to anyone, keep in mind the bigger value claims take a longer time to get approved. With my dog Lexie, however, this did not work out as well…
As a first time dog owner, I did not realize how many health issues a dog could have. My cat Tortilla came first, I’d had her for nearly 4 years (adopted her in Sept. 2020) at the time of getting my dog (April 2024). Tortilla was always healthy and vibrant, and while I wish I would have been more proactive with vet visits, I can’t change anything now. So, my mom and I decided to hold off on getting pet insurance for the first few months. Horrible mistake.
My dog happened to have basically a weak weak stomach and everlasting GI issues causing behavioral issues (from pain) that are still unresolved to this day. She’s been in and out of 6 vets with over 13 visits since last year. I was only 19 during this and had no idea what to do and neither the idea to get pet insurance since I was so overwhelmed, and most of it fell on me since my family wanted to keep Lexie and I also didn’t have the heart to give her back to her rescue.
So, I fought hard to get her diagnosed and treated, which I’m still fighting to today. But, now my mom and I have spent probably over 5K on her vet bills too (on top of Tortilla’s). I might as well have lit the money on fire that’s how helpful everything has been. So finally we got her insurance in early September, only after having her behavioral issues diagnosed. This was a horrible mistake on my end because now nothing was covered.
So, long story short Lexie saw a million different vets (including a vet behaviorist) and absolutely everything I filed for was pre-existing and none of that 5K is covered. I don’t think this is all Lemonade’s fault or anything of the sort, it’s just an unfortunate situation because I was misguided and overwhelmed back then by both Lexie being a young puppy with behavioral issues and GI issues.
Overall, I honestly would recommend Lemonade for anyone signing up a new, young pet or even an older pet with no pre-existing conditions. I’m not sure if I would recommend it over others, like PetsBest or Trupanion (although I have been seeing some pretty insane price spikes for others from Trupanion). I’m still weary but since they were so helpful with Tortilla (even if it took a bit) I decided to stick with them and signed up my two new kittens we adopted before she passed and made sure to sign them up early (3 weeks after adoption).
I also would say a positive was how easy it was to file claims and speak with your claim rep. I don’t really like talking over the phone, so it was nice just talking via email, text, and the support center. It was also a very smooth process to file the claims, since everything is just in the app and you can customize the types of procedures and costs you’re inputting (there’s options to put general diseases already in their database while filing a claim but you can add custom text which I found helpful).
So yeah. I honestly don’t know if the grass is greener for other companies, but I feel like most insurance companies are not exactly looking out for the pet or even human as their priority, and I feel Lemonade isn’t too too much like that. Hope this was helpful for anyone that read through all of it, thank you!!
TLDR: Lemonade was very helpful for my cat with no illness history that contracted sudden cancer (reimbursed over 5K-6K). Not so helpful for my dog as she had pre-existing conditions so nothing was covered, but if anything new pops up it should be OK (she’s still a young dog). App is very navigable and easy to use, claim support staff is helpful and friendly, larger bill claims can take awhile to process though (took 2-3 weeks for Tortilla’s bills). Can’t really do phone calls, but I did prefer the email and text system (personally).
United Healthcare - United healthcare denying claims.
So I have really bad neuropathy and have had for like 15 years. Can't feel anything below my knees. I developed a foot ulcer that was just not healing and after going to a foot specialist for 3 years my GP sent me to a wound specialist in Jan. My company had just switched to united health care so I wasn't very familiar with them. I went to the wound specialist every week or every other week for 2 months and
I was actually seeing a lot of improvement and was feeling pretty good about it when my insurance told me they were denying a lot of the services so now I owe over $6,000! And this is on top of the $200 I had to pay every time just to go see him as a specialist.
But the things that they are denying are things like the wound pad and the gauze that they wrapped my foot in for me to leave the office. The Doctor cuts away a lot of old flesh every time and its on the botton
of my foot so am I just supposed to leave his office with a big open wound? Am I supposed to bring my own gauze? It's also saying that I got a device several times, but I never got any type of device. Also the amount that the doctor's office is charging for just a little bit of gauze is insane. It's saying that the gauze or pads are 16-48 sq in and they were just small squares so maybe my doctors office was padding the bill, but I'm not sure.
I've tried appealing it but what else should I be doing?
I've stopped seeing the doctor because I can't afford that so now I'm just back to not healing and having a constant worry that it's gonna get infected and I'm going to end up having my foot amputated.
The claims say things like:
Service description:
A saline- or hydrogel-soaked gauze pad, 16-48 sq. In., used to cover a wound. The dressing protects the wound.
Claim codes:
Benefits for this service are denied. Your plan does not cover this medical supply, prosthetic, orthotic appliance, or durable medical equipment.
Service description:
Any one item used during a surgery.
Claim codes:
Benefits for this service are denied. Your plan does not cover this medical supply, prosthetic, orthotic appliance, or durable medical equipment. Please refer to the Exclusion and/or
the Additional Coverage Details of your plan document for additional information. (CAD128)
Service description
Any sealant, protectant, moisturizer or ointment. The product is used no to protect nntont the the skin ckin against against tears tears or or breakdown breakdown caused caused by by tape or other adhesive material.
Claim codes:
Benefits for this service are denied. Your plan does not cover this medical supply, prosthetic, orthotic appliance, or durable medical equipment. Please refer to the Exclusion and/or
the Additional Coverage Details of your plan document for additional information. (CAD128)
Service description:
A sterile pad, 16 sq. In. Or smaller, made of gel fibers to cover a wound. The pad is used as a protective dressing
Claim codes:
Benefits for this service are denied. Your plan does not cover this medical supply, prosthetic, orthotic appliance, or durable medical equipment. Please refer to the Exclusion and/or
the Additional Coverage Details of your plan document for additional information. (CAD128)
Quest - Doctor billing insurance for treatment weeks before appointment without notifying patient
At the end of 2024 my wife visited an allergist to try and get a handle on her allergies. A boat load of testing later and she needs allergy injections for her horrific environmental allergies to attempt to get control of them. Everything is good with this allergist at this point. It’s the end of December 2024 and the allergist informs her at her appointment at the end of the next month (January 2025) she will owe $1500 to start her year long series of injections. We have a HDHP with HSA so we totally understand that cost because the deductible resets.
Well life punched us hard over the next month and my wife has ramped up her attempts to find a new job because she is so unhappy at her current one. Given everything going on and the fact that she isn’t sure if she will continue to have the same insurance or access to the same provider to complete the allergy injections if she gets a new job, she decided now isn’t a good time to start the allergy injections. So she cancelled her appointment 48 hours prior to the scheduled appointment.
This provider did not give her any kind of verbal, written, mimed, carrier pigeon, etc policy related to appointments, billing, and/or payment policies for the practice. Nothing. So at the beginning of February 2025 she received a bill from Quest for the bloodwork she had done in December 2024. Two of the bajillion tests requested by this provider were not covered and it was going to cost us almost $700 out of pocket (whole separate issue we’re handling). She couldn’t find an EOB so I told her to log onto the portal to see if she could download it. Well she logs onto the portal and there are $2,000 worth of claims submitted from this allergist in mid January 2025. They were not the claims related to her appointments in December 2024 and they were submitted two weeks before she cancelled her first allergy injection appointment.
To make a long story short, the allergist prepped the injection two weeks before my wife’s first allergy injection over the course of 3 days and submitted the claim to insurance for it. The doctor’s office is saying she is responsible for the bill and I’m saying that sounds like fraud for billing for treatment she never received and was prepared without any kind of contract or informed consent to give her the opportunity to prevent this from happening. My wife has spoken with 2 different insurance reps and one was like yeah you’re responsible and the other said I’m referring you to our fraud department. The doctor is entirely unhelpful and has refused to communicate with her on 1. Why there is no practice policy to avoid this situation and 2. How long that injection mixed up in good for and 3. What happens if she stops doing the injections after one appointment.
What do we need to know about this? Is this fraud? Should we push to not be responsible for this cost? Did my wife make a mistake somewhere in understanding how allergists operate and missed what is the obvious to the field she should have cancelled her appointment at minimum two weeks before it was scheduled?
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